james fenton titanic

The Abyss un film del 1989 scritto e diretto da James Cameron, e interpretato da Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio e Michael Biehn.. La sua realizzazione fu estremamente travagliata e si protrasse per circa due anni ad un costo mai confermato ufficialmente ma stimato in 69,5 milioni di dollari. His experiences there provided fodder for the poems in Manila Envelope (1989). Quite simply Titanic was underinsured, the main reason being that the White Star Line actually insured its own ships. These above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in the windows on B-deck -which should not be surprising as two private verandahs and suites were added to this section of the ship after its launch. 25. ", Claim: Author of two books exposing the theory, Steve Hall, has actually admitted on camera: "I would have to say the question remains open. He holds an undergraduate degree in biomedical engineering with honors from The University of Iowa and completed medical school at The University of . Olympic's wheelhouse in 1912 was curved at the front (left diagram) while Titanic's was straight. Not to mention, Titanic was part of what was intended to be an "Olympic Class" trio of ships on the transatlantic service. sailed in a great hurry from Belfast and said that when they hit the iceberg it The difference in windows on B-deck between the time of her launch and her maiden voyage is explained by one of the key differences between the two ships: Get a Britannica Premium subscription and gain access to exclusive content. Was the confusion because they had been switched? It must be pointed out that only the hull of Titanic was launched with a basic superstructure. Paddy said that the guilt of Their reasoning is as follows: You can not add one thousand tons to a 46,000 ton ship and end up with a 46,000 ton ship. Has Cameron in fact admitted that Titanic is actually Olympic? previous 1 2 3 next sort by previous 1 2 3 next * Note: these are all the books on Goodreads for this author. One must also suggest - if those behind the 'switch' were so clever so as to be able to switch absolutely everything aboard Olympic/Titanic as to include the numbers 400/401 etched onto the back of wooden panels in all the state rooms (refer to point here) then how is it they would Numerous ships were stationed nearby despite a coal strike, 27. Updates? 2. Above: Titanic, left and Olympic, right. CourtesySteve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank? that the carpet was to hide "12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface"? However he conveniently does not explain 'The Olympic Room' This was standard White Star Line practice. Another set of poems was published by Fullers press as the broadsheet Put Thou Thy Tears into My Bottle (1969). Claim: While the wheelhouse of the Olympic was allegedly constructed in a bow fronted fashion, a photograph taken from the top of the huge steel gantry appears to show a straight fronted wheelhouse, exactly as it appeared on earlier drawings of the ship. He also confirmed that the ship was doing seventy-five revolutions, not 80 as was possible. 26. (British Enquiry (Day 3) James Fenton was born in Lincoln in 1949 and educated at Magdalen College, Oxford where he won the Newdigate Prize for poetry. Dr Robert Ballard admitted it was the Olympic were being made to further increase the ships speed. It has to be admitted that this is plain bizarre and shows at what lengths some will go to try and justify a conspiracy. The Poetry Archive -- James Fenton is one of the numerous poets featured on this fantastic website. If not insurance, a switch would keep the company operational, 12. Local "runners". The actual triangular hole in the Olympic is much further aft than the location of the so-called 'patchwork' on the wreck. I can see no credible evidence of discolouration that would be proof positive of repair work, especially in the specific location where the Hawke penetrated Olympic's hull. In fact what evidence suggests there could possibly be ice on Titanic's rigging? Obviously realising that planning a collision in the North Atlantic would be The Britannic, when launched, had 16 portholes, consistent with the later port side configuration of the Titanic and the Olympic. Visit Fenton's special Poetry Archive webpage and listen to recordings of him reading the poems 'Wind', 'Blood and Lead', 'Jerusalem', and 'In Paris with You'. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg, 26. When the 2. Albert Edward James* -Able bodied seaman Hosgood, R. -Fireman Hosking, G. F. -Senior third engineer . that when the crew joined Titanic there was [sic] rumours that the company Above: Olympic, taken during her 1912/13 refit following the Titanic disaster, allegedly shows the vessel without the tell-tale plating joint. Though most of his work was ultimately discarded, Fenton was nonetheless contracted to receive somewhat less than 1 percent of royalties, which, because of the overwhelming international success of the musical, amounted to a substantial sum that made him independently wealthy. Titanic's speed was investigated by Mark Chirnside and Samuel Halpern in their article entitled "Speed and More Speed" from which the following information is taken. First of all, here is the 'meme' by a James Colmer that accompanies this claim: Anyone vaguely familiar with Titanic will immediately spot the critical flaw in this 'switch' meme. )", By December 1911, Titanic was fitted with an additional 2 portholes, giving her a total of 16. In summary Gardiner's allegations that Titanic was in fact a damaged Olympic struggling to maintain speed does not add up, especially when you consider that he alleges 18. 3rd-class: 2,250. In July 2013 he wrote to Alexandra Bruce of ForbiddenKnowledgeTV (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com) the following: I have just been made aware that you are broadcasting a film under the heading "Was the Titanic Deliberately Sunk by J P Morgan" (original title "Why They Sank Titanic") on your Forbidden Knowledge TV Internet TV channel. ', When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean. 9 and was ordered by 1st Officer Murdoch down to A Deck where he helped with the loading of lifeboat No. Fitting out photographs If indeed Titanic had a room called "The Olympic Room" this would only appear superstitious if one believes the ships were switched. Thirdly, the characteristics of the Olympic were already known so there was less of a learning curve to deal with. It was written in response to an article 1,496 people are believed to have died when the Titanic went down. Actually it is quite simply medium grey primer that was used on all three Olympic class ships, including Titanic, Please note how it does not match the so-called 'Titanic' image in the 'meme.' According to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou "no such statement from any passenger is known." Gardiner of course claims that all documentary records indicating otherwise were falsified in order to perpetuate the insurance fraud which was about to take place. As will be discussed here, those that are not inaccurate, ill-researched, dubious or simply fabricated actually have very simple and logical explanations: 1. The Turkish bath spaces were different. Take a look at the two photographs and compare for yourself. 26 'James Fenton antiques' For Sale and Sold ( 4 For Sale 22 Sold) Page 1. Or is the answer because there is nothing there anyway? Mount Temple (50 miles) Canadian Pacific Steamship Company cargo ship, Westbound, London to St. John's, Newfoundland 15 $18.4 17.55 Silver Cricket Fob Recess Antiques 85.00 $104.27 99.42 Silver & M,O,P Fruit Knife.Sheff.1910 By J.Fenton. and loss account had risen from $48,585 in 1910 to $821,062 in the year ending We also have a substantial amount of supporting evidence to prove that Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved: 1. (This is something I have noticed. There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. The fields are mined and the moon is bright. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch, 8. James A. Fenton aka "Paddy the Pig" Paddy Fenton is someone who had told his fellow seamen that they were in fact switched. Difference in port side joint plating Claim: Titanic had 14 bow portholes. During this process workers allegedly discovered the name Olympic 'carved into the gunwhales,' as 'the old name had been filled with putty and painted over.' Considering the discovery of Olympic's name on the lifeboat(s) allegedly occurred at least twice, on different continents, and no doubt seen by at least several people, why there are no written accounts, sketches or photographs of at the very least the boat, let alone the discovery, should ring alarm bells in the mind of any serious researcher. 37. aware she never exceeded 75 revolutions. If a 'switch' was true, why would you need to create a 'meme' that is demonstrably false, by switching an 'actual' image of Titanic with the Olympic? Difference in tonnage 7. And considering they were presumably expecting a sinking according to this theory does not account for Lord's inaction. This claim shows a total ignorance, not only of Olympic and Titanic but of ships and shipbuilding in general. Both had the same configuration of portholes in March 1912. the newspaper Northern Star that was published on the 31 July 1996. According to Don Lynch and his book "Titanic: An Illustrated History" they did not accompany him on the maiden voyage because they had instead chosen to spend the time on a motor holiday through Wales.. The fact remains, if there were such large structural differences between the ships, how is it they are not noticeable in photographs and also spotted To add more books, click here . - Fourth Officer Boxhall "a little ice in the well deck covering a space of about three or four feet from the bulwarks right along the well deck, small stuff. (British Enquiry,Day 13) In fact, White Stars profit Above left: Olympic taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, allegedly shows her to have had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe. In fact the outlines of the letters are visible in part on the wreck, and the surviving White Star passenger tender Nomadic, built at the same time as Olympic and Titanic, shows exactly the same process. exploded and caused the fatal damage. But to claim this was "done deliberately to help with a switch" is misleading to say the least - and such a ploy would be mostly ineffective on people in 1912 who were largely unconcerned with such technical inaccuracy in promotional material. In fact both Olympic and Titanic were launched with 14 portholes on the port side forecastle on C-Deck and 15 portholes on the starboard side of the same area. They were: Californian (19 miles) a Leyland Line, Westbound London to Boston - Yes. On the wreck, what remains of the base of the wheel house (right) is clearly straight revealing it is indeed the Titanic (right image courtesy of Ghosts of the Abyss -Walt Disney Pictures and Walden Media). Also, Fireman John Thompson said: I was told the ship was making close to twenty-three knots when she hit. Chirnside and Halpern discovered that "Titanics 546 mile run from noon Saturday to noon Sunday would be her best posted But of course there is overwhelming evidence it was the Titanic that sank, which places this particular claim as purely conspiracy conjecture, for which there is no logic, let alone evidence. Again no mention here that lifeboats were seen from B Deck. Captain Smith was photographed by a newspaper photographer on the bridge of the Titanic. Claim: Olympic had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe, while Titanic during her construction did not. It began in January of 1912 The reality is that Olympic and Titanic had differently pitched propeller blades so they would not have worked to their full potential had the blades been swapped from one ship to the other. Claim: An old sailor of the Titanic, Paddy the pig, revealed shortly before his death that the Titanic was switched with its sistership, the Olympic. it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. such as Titanic's A Deck promenade which was enclosed by a steel screen with sliding windows, to provide additional shelter, and the promenades on Titanic's B Deck which were reduced in size, and the space used for additional cabins and public rooms, including two luxury suites with private promenades. Corrections? And those occasions he returned early were in June - never as early as April. there are many passenger accounts of large quantities of ice, more than what could be explained by what would fall from rigging onto the deck, such as the following: - Able Bodied Seamen William Lucas saw "about a couple of tonsOn the fore-well on the starboard side." 19345. There are other photographs of Titanic with similar liberties such as the shot of her in Cherbourg at night which has been heavily doctored to look as if it was taken at night with her lights blazing. their attention to it, and they all watched it disappear, but had then at once resumed His winning sonnet sequence was later published with the assistance of his professor, poet John Fuller, as Our Western Furniture (1968) and was broadcast on the BBC. off the bell. The wreck clearly has a flat wheelhouse and hence it must be Titanic. Olympic's wheelhouse was not curved Dr. Fenton is in the Division of Pulmonary, Critical Care and Sleep Medicine. All other portholes on this part of the ship remained as they appeared at the time of her launch. It makes complete sense that the local Belfast runners did not sign up for a transatlantic maiden voyage that they were not experienced or interested in doing (losing all the local jobs they were used to) when local Southampton crew were used to such "long-haul" trips. Claim: How can a ship with a bent keel go on to serve 24 years (1911-1935) without being fully repaired? Claim: Dr Robert Ballard has admitted that when he discovered the wreck of the Titanic he found evidence it was actually the Olympic. Titanic did not strike an iceberg It was longer as it had to cover up the word Olympic that occupied more space. Veined marble is a naturally occurring metamorphic crystalline limestone and, like snowflakes and finger prints, no two pieces are the same. Claim: All that needs to be done to switch the ships is exchange those parts of the ships which bore the vessels names such as name plates, the ships bell, menus and note paper letterheads, the names on the life belts and life boats, also any plaques and brass fittings with the liners name on and any interior signing bearing the name Olympic or Titanic. in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position her full speed if the weather cooperated. However it seems that conspiracy theorists make a deliberate mathematical error, and then label it 'conclusive evidence'. If they were interchangeable why would there be a number on it? As it is a montage that was artificially created they could have quite easily ensured that this area was not accurately shown.? This means Morgan would certainly have no reason to return early on April 10 especially when he was due in Venice by April 23 (remembering that the transatlantic voyages are at least 5 days long, he would be unlikely to make it back in time). 3. Edith Rosenbaum, George Rhiems, Albert Dick and Vera Dick and William Sloper. Not to mention that the name Titanic was first filmed on the wreck in 1987 and it certainly does not look Also, a coal bunker fire was indeed burning on Titanic, although it was put out before the collision and in any case as it is not explosive would not have caused the damage described (more information here). The cost of switching the ships (note point 5 about the number of changes necessary on both ships) and additional ongoing costs of keeping thousands of people quiet would be enormous and most importantly completely unnecessary. Explorers from the Woods Hole Oceanic Institution used robotic vehicles to collect images during programmed sweeps of the wreck. On the panels the number 400 is stencilled, but on the frames the number 401 is clearly visible. Importantly, Hardly "numerous" or warranting any suspicion, especially considering performance, only two miles shy of Olympics best ever maiden voyage daily run, and she did that with only 21 'Faux' as in false or imitation. Well, let's look at the image with and without the multi-coloured scribbles: Left: the original wreck image scaled up and rotated to match the 'meme'. Lack of publicity for Titanic It was also carrying no passengers, at a time when due to the coal strike and so many ships confined to port there would be plenty of people eager to pay above the cost in cash to get to Boston. As it was named the "Olympic Class" it would hence not be unusual to feature the first ship in any advertising. This has already been discussed here. Deck plans the game. For sure bunker "W" was emptied as this is mentioned by survivors. James Fenton on how variation in a line presents the poet with many challenges. On Olympic the fireplace was at the outer wall between two windows. 'Titanic of the skies': The story of London's ill-fated luxury airship service to Melbourne. of the surviving crew. anything like this. Titanic was in fact what the White Star Line called "Olympic Class" - so in effect had the name "Olympic" on her already. They would not be interested in the transatlantic route as it would mean not returning to Belfast or Southampton for several weeks. Once it was launched then it was 'fitted out' i.e. But please read this information first, where it clearly shows that Lloyds records do not agree with this at all. This should not be surprising as the wheelhouse was built during the fitting out stage and so did not exist during the launch. 42. Titanic was not open for the press and public inspection The "Olympic" is the Titanic's sister ship ("RMS Olympic"), and part of the conspiracy . Gardiner bases this hypothesis on the idea that the supposed iceberg was seen at such a short distance by the lookouts because it was actually a darkened ship. Firstly it must be pointed out that Titanic was technically not going "full steam" at the time of the collision. As to Gardiner's claim that ''Titanic -actually the Olympic - never travelled faster than one-half her designed top speed, as her damaged hull was too weak to endure the stresses of a prolonged high-speed run', there is absolutely no documented evidence to support this. In another attempt to find a photographic inconsistency to support a 'switch' theory, this one is probably the hardest to see or make sense of. James Cameron took meticulous steps to ensure historical accuracy when creating his 1997 box office hit, Titanic.Since then, Cameron has done extensive research not only on the Titanic itself but the victims of the ill-fated liner. This is demonstrably false information. Interestingly, Gardiner himself has admitted the image is fake. . The documentary itself, although spending the first 40 minutes promoting the 'switch' conspiracy, actually ends up concluding in the final five minutes that it did not happen. Ismay went on public record at the April 1912 United States Senate Hearings and also it was reported in the official public findings that the value of Titanic was "$7.5million" a figure independently verified by the New York Times and The Spectator ("$8 million") while insured at only "$5 million" (as reported at the Senate Inquiry, The New York Times and Lloyds itself). Firstly, it is true that the Carpathia had a capacity of more than what the Titanic was carrying - the Carpathia was certified for more than 2800. Florence Ismay (wife of J Bruce Ismay, chairman of White Star) also cancelled along with their children, and just like Morgan she said she was ill, and instead went on a motoring holiday! TITANIC SAILOR'S DEATHBED CONFESSION OF 'SWITCH' In 1912 Paddy claimed that he was a 22-year- old ordinary seaman aboard Titanic. Actually there were only 6 within a 140 mile radius. There are a couple of important points to first realise. Skip to Content. Even if he did blatantly confuse the names of the ships, it would be clear evidence there was not a 'switch', as otherwise he would have been absolutely sure to get the correct name of the ship to ensure the fraud was watertight. Olympic was damaged badly enough to force the voyage to be cancelled. The most telling aspect of this either unintentional -or possibly intentional- forgery, is the desperate need to do it. other images of Olympic and Titanic, this post-disaster image has the anchors stowed, thus obscuring this area of interest. Claim: White Star never had any intention of scuttling the ship. Titanic's insurance was increased 5 days before sailing And the answer is the same. then they absolutely need more than this very doubtful photograph to prove that Olympic's "doubler" is not overlapping and hence it is actually Titanic. According to a Mirror article about Southampton entitled "The City That Lost a Generation to the Titanic Disaster" (March 24, 2012) "17,000 men were without work that April" due to the coal strike. 1 were never lit at all. Olympic had an "overlap of the plates, or strakes" forward of the bow anchors (described as "the doubler forward at the bower anchors"), while Titanic was different in that "the strake butted up against the doubler and did not overlap it.". 4. Difference in Titanic's name plate By that time Olympic was at Belfast and underwent a major refit which also included new davits and new lifeboats which were larger than the previous lifeboats.". However, it is definitely not logical. 14. Titanic researcher and wreck explorer Parks Stephenson, who most recently was involved in photographing the Titanic wreck in 2019, simply replied: "People will see what they want" (26/09/2019) and posted this image: Claim: The starboard B-deck windows on the wreck are narrow, which matches the Olympic, not the Titanic. Could it be His translation of Verdis Simon Boccanegra was staged by the English National Opera in 1985, and he wrote the libretto for the operatic adaptation of Salman Rushdies tale Haroun and the Sea of Stories, staged at the New York City Opera (2004). And as Titanic author Bruce Beveridge points out, the very reason it has a specific build number on it was due to the fact that the propellers were not interchangeable, due to the specific pitch of the blades designed for each ship. Olympic officers on the bridge If he had been sworn to secrecy then why did he tell only one or two random individuals? Researchers Bill Sauder and Parks Stephenson have come to the conclusion that in fact the dining room was not carpeted. 45,324. There are two key issues with this story. Seacocks opened to hasten the sinking, 30. Damage from Olympic's collision with Hawke was more significant Morgan and Ismay would have to be fortune tellers as well as fraudsters! (Click image to enlarge). Lightwood, Stoke-on-Trent - Wikipedia . While there were costs involved in repairing the damage in the Olympic/Hawke collision, and that the Olympic was out of service meant lost revenue, the fact is that as a business the White Star Line was not going bankrupt and there simply was no need for a 'switch'. Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. For example there are several photographs taken by newspapers aboard Titanic prior to its departure. Firstly it must be noted that welding was indeed invented during the 1800s, before the construction of Olympic and Titanic. Firstly, to confirm, bulkheads are the upright partitions dividing a ship into compartments, which on Titanic were 'watertight' compartments or bulkheads. This claim is of course connected to the previous claim that the ship hit, instead of an iceberg, an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. The Government man read the crew the Official Secrets And that was a very surreal kind of image for me too to see these little white crabs crawling around in the fireplace of the room that was commissioned for J.P.Morgan. Titanic or Olympic: Which Ship Sank? and came to the conclusion that while elements of Fenton's background can be validated the boats were returned to England and reused, however boat no.12, considered an unlucky thirteenth (presumably the thirteenth lifeboat recovered by the Carpathia and so deemed unlucky ), was not reused until after the First World War when the boat was handed over to the Sea Scouts as a thank you (some Sea Scouts having joined the Navy during the war and lost their lives). Which brings us to a total of at least 1047 aboard the Carpathia on the night of the Titanic disaster. Although the ship had 14, then later 16, portholes on the port side, she had 15 on her starboard side, and this number remained consistent throughout. had switched ships at layup and that an insurance scam was going on. 12 said that the Frenchman jumped in before the boat was lowered, indicating that he did jump from the boat deck into the boat. 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